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Offline BLADESBLOOD  
#1 Posted : 18 April 2017 18:14:40(UTC)
BLADESBLOOD


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Sold my Megane rs265 recently as it was a faff getting it in and out of the garage BUT I miss it awfully.Out of a huge list of high performance cars I have owned it has been the best. Anyhow I am contemplating a Clio200/220 but know little about them.Any advice ? eg I think I need a cup chassis ? Do any models have LSD ? Gearboxes reliable or not ?
How do you rate the performance ?
I'm a very mature owner and don't expect a rocket but I'd like it to put a smile on my face.
Really unsure if I should go Clio or rs265 again.
Any help appreciated
David
Offline MrVix  
#2 Posted : 18 April 2017 18:43:03(UTC)
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Defo go 265/275 again it is a no brainer.
Offline Clioconvert  
#3 Posted : 18 April 2017 18:58:08(UTC)
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220 Trophy in liquid yellow with Akrapovic exhaust then book a trip to Belgium for a remap
Offline probecomp  
#4 Posted : 18 April 2017 19:51:42(UTC)
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No LSD on the Clio, my advice would be Megane again - more performance, more focused driver's car...
Offline titian  
#5 Posted : 18 April 2017 20:46:39(UTC)
titian


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I've had a rs265 ,now got a clio 220 i found the clutch to stiff for me on the megane ,for me there's not much in speed wise. I love the gearbox in the clio,Clio has 4 years warranty and i don't think the clio needs a LSD , but horses for courses.Try them all i would say

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Offline sunnylunn  
#6 Posted : 19 April 2017 06:56:55(UTC)
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get a test drive in a Clio 220 then you'll have a better idea, think you will be surprised how good they are, although the RS275 is a fantastic car, Clio is nowhere near as fast. The Clios gearbox is really good, fast changes, especially in race mode, sounds ace with the Akra exhaust as well.
Offline eccentric1  
#7 Posted : 19 April 2017 10:35:33(UTC)
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Have to agree with sunnylun here.
Both cars are excellent but we each have our individual preferences and you should buy a car to suit yours, not someone else's.

You know the Megane already so maybe you don't need to test that, but certainly get a test drive in a Clio Trophy. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Offline del115  
#8 Posted : 19 April 2017 13:28:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eccentric1 Go to Quoted Post
Have to agree with sunnylun here.
Both cars are excellent but we each have our individual preferences and you should buy a car to suit yours, not someone else's.

You know the Megane already so maybe you don't need to test that, but certainly get a test drive in a Clio Trophy. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised.


I would go a step further and say you will, despite negative press and comments on here, definitely be pleasantly surprised.
After that of course your choice will, as it always does, depend on you, your driver requirements and your initial impression of any cars you test.
If you can find a dealer that will let you have an extended (24hr) test period then I would not be surprised to see you coming back telling us of your 220 purchase.
Offline roystinho  
#9 Posted : 19 April 2017 17:43:26(UTC)
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I was sceptical about the clio, but I think the 220 Trophy is a cracking car. Doesn't quite fit into what I want, but I'd certainly recommend one to friends and family (and have done)
Offline Familyman  
#10 Posted : 19 April 2017 20:25:18(UTC)
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clio trophy is superb, ive just rediscovered how good it is, after some warmer weather meant nice dry roads.....nobody has been in my trophy that hasn't been impressed, and there are a few petrol heads in that list
Offline FramerateUK  
#11 Posted : 20 April 2017 10:43:47(UTC)
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The Clio is a brilliant little car for a daily driver which is a bit of fun. I came from a Megane 250 and I've had no complaints.

My question is, are you buying this as your only car or as a second car? Controversial point on a Renault forum maybe, but I don't get why people buy hot hatches as second cars/weekend/trackday cars. The Clio is my sensible car (it is afterall, quite heavy, has 5 doors, a boot, air con and heated seats!). I'd always go for something far less practical and lightweight as a 2nd car and really make the most of the difference between it and my daily.

If you're buying it as your only car, with the intention of doing trackdays, the the Megane is the better option. It's just got more grunt and the brakes are more suited to trackday use. I'd prefer a manual gearbox on a track too.
Offline BLADESBLOOD  
#12 Posted : 20 April 2017 17:56:12(UTC)
BLADESBLOOD


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Thanks for all your help with the replies.Blimey it's a hard decision. If I'd never driven the Meg RS I suppose chosing a Clio would be easier.If I wasn't bothered about garaging it then the Meg would be an automatic choice infact
I'd still have my last 12,000 mile beauty :( But onwards and upwards, have to drive a Clio and then decide.Interesting
the positive gearbox comments when the tests on Utube all decry it. Currently running a stop-gap cooper s, first of the new Mini I've ever driven and it's bags of fun,been impressed.
Offline PeteTH  
#13 Posted : 20 April 2017 21:01:32(UTC)
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I like small, high performance, high spec cars. I've had a series of RS Clios since they first launched; liked them all. Was a bit wary of going to the new auto/manual gearbox, but really like it. Leather, heated seats, Bose and lights are excellent, and significantly uprate previous RS specs. Poor visibility when reversing is my main issue; oh, and the horn sound is feeble! Would also have liked options of glass roof, silver alloys, and 4-wheel drive.
Offline RSaddict  
#14 Posted : 20 April 2017 21:23:33(UTC)
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Oooh, 4 wheel drive, now that would grip like sh*t to a blanket! Albeit a slightly heavier car.

Like that idea a lot.
Offline BLADESBLOOD  
#15 Posted : 23 April 2017 16:42:57(UTC)
BLADESBLOOD


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2015 220trophy in white which is the only colour i want, 10400 miles @ £14500 seems a decent price ? Wondering whether to take a punt on it.Suppose if I didn't like it I could re-sell easily enough ?
Offline sunnylunn  
#16 Posted : 23 April 2017 19:54:22(UTC)
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Location: Renault owner 😀

have you driven it? only way to know if if suits your needs or not.
Offline WB83  
#17 Posted : 24 April 2017 16:36:19(UTC)
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If you want a similar level of fun and engagement to the Megane but with a smaller footprint then look at the previous gen Clio 200 with cup chassis. Much more fun with the n/a engine and manual gearbox.
Offline BLADESBLOOD  
#18 Posted : 28 April 2017 15:42:58(UTC)
BLADESBLOOD


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Holding deposit just gone down on one Smile Going to see it Sunday.
Offline titian  
#19 Posted : 28 April 2017 17:34:33(UTC)
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Happy days, make sure you use sport mode, silver button next to the hand brake,even thou it's a Turbo I find it still likes to rev, paid 15,500 for my 65 plate 220 in November 4,000 miles only option monitor . Have you got a link to it?

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Offline BLADESBLOOD  
#20 Posted : 28 April 2017 20:38:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: titian Go to Quoted Post
Happy days, make sure you use sport mode, silver button next to the hand brake,even thou it's a Turbo I find it still likes to rev, paid 15,500 for my 65 plate 220 in November 4,000 miles only option monitor . Have you got a link to it?


I'll sort one out.It's white,10000 mile with the leather 1 piece seats in,reverse camera.nav etc. Not sure what's standard in Clio's and what are optionsConfused Think I'll enjoy it but time will tell. Get it to work and on a lift and give the brakes an etch prime and stuff.Any brief thoughts on engine issues etc ? Are they regarded as a strong unit like the Meg is or not ? Thought they may have had 4 pot calipers on the front but the road tests seem to rate the braking as good ?
You've all been a big help ta.
Offline titian  
#21 Posted : 28 April 2017 21:08:32(UTC)
titian


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The brakes are from a Laguna, and really good, engine been in America for a few years, as far as I know it's good ,not heard of any problems
Offline BrianRT  
#22 Posted : 17 May 2017 20:33:06(UTC)
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I've now owned my 220 since September 2016, having also owned an R26 before since May 2014 and various other hot hatches over 20+ years.

I agree with those who say the car is (relatively) tame.......until you stick it in Race Mode and drive it largely with 'manual' gearshifts. However, if you are moving directly from a genuine manual with a clutch, it takes time to learn how to drive a car like a 220 in a way that changing gear at the correct time becomes instinctive rather than having to think about it all the time.

I'm a 51 year-old bloke who passed my test 34 years ago - in spite of what I like to think when I look back with rose-tinted specs, I realise that it took me many, many miles of driving a manual car until those gear changes became instinctive. I made lots of mistakes - forgot to change, changed too early, changed too late etc. Those of us who have subsequently owned RS275s, Clio 200's, R26s etc, didn't start with those and would not have been able to drive them as effectively when we were new drivers. I don't understand why people seem to think something like the 220 will feel natural to drive to the limit after an hour behind the wheel!

To really learn to use it, I had to make myself drive it Race mode pretty well all the time, for probably around 4-5k miles in all types of road conditions, including around town, on A-roads and M-ways.....just like you would have to have done with a traditional manual i.e. so that I can now change gear without thinking about it.

I now feel that for the past 2-3 months, I can go out in it on some proper drives in the early morning e.g. Colliford Lake nr Bodmin and drive the car in the way it is designed for.

And I have to say, NOTHING would now get me to go back to a manual - as much as I adored my R26 and all that went before that.

Now, I realise that some may be thinking typical, compromise car for an older man who wants to fit his family in and also pretend he is still a boy racer. No - I don't use this as my daily car and my family are grown up with cars of their own. I bought this on a hunch that this model was worth buying on it's own merits and I have not been disappointed. It's handling and balance is exquisite, the brakes are awesome, the gear-change lightning quick (much quicker than a manual - sorry traditionalists!), I can left-foot brake much more easily, and keep both hands on the wheel when steering even if I need to change gear.

On 'timed runs', I am able to clock much quicker times in the 220 than I could in the R26 (which I have now sold as it was just sitting on the drive not getting used). I have learned to be confident to throw the 220 around and have it out of shape, without being fearful of writing the car off.

Ultimately, it is up to each of us to find what we personally like. All I would add is that after many years of driving a manual, you are not really going to truly know what the 220 is like after even a 24 hour test drive (when the fear of writing the car off before owning it will make most people hold back). Therefore, definitely have a test drive, but do so accepting that you are not experiencing the car to it's full potential at that point. I am lucky enough to be in a position that if this had proven to be the wrong choice for me, I could afford to lose some money if I'd had to sell it quickly. I realise that others may not be quite so lucky.

Hope this personal opinion helps? Good luck in your decision
Offline PeteTH  
#23 Posted : 17 May 2017 21:29:16(UTC)
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Thanks for this post, Brian. I've owned several RS Clio Sports before and I agree with your ideas about "learning how to use it", etc with the new 220 that I've had since January. Am comfortable with it now, but will experiment more along the lines you have with more use of race and manual modes.
Offline sunnylunn  
#24 Posted : 18 May 2017 06:52:02(UTC)
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i only really drive mine in manual, great write up by the way. In race mode and on a nice road, its as much fun as any of my previous Renaultsports, i still have my R26, only really use it on track now.
Offline eccentric1  
#25 Posted : 18 May 2017 07:23:44(UTC)
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Posts: 301
Location: In exile in Bavaria

Hi Brian,
well thought out and written post, thanks.

I'm about 5 years older than you and bought my first RS last November; a Clio 220 facelift.

In that six months or so I've experienced the same learning curve and emotions as you describe. For the last three and a bit years I was a chauffeur driving only automatics and I really didn't like any of them, whether BMW 5 or 7, Phaeton, Mercedes S Class .... yes, comfortable cars for the most part, but driving fun? No way.
I've always been an old stick in the mud "no automatic for me" but the EDC has converted me as I mostly drive in race mode and have the manual I desire and to make it even better with paddles and lightning quick gear changes, I too would never want to go back.

I like the idea of left foot braking but am struggling with the fact that the two pedals are a bit too close together for me. Now why don't Renault do a "Praga" and space them out a bit to encourage it more?
Now that would be a sublimal RS experience.
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