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Offline Fuzzy  
#1 Posted : 08 May 2018 19:41:21(UTC)
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Hello, I’m Kev, 26, based in the Lake District and about to trade my 2008 Civic Type S 2.2derv for a 2010 Clio gordini 200 with 46k on the clock.

Couple of questions.
1. How important is service history with these? It’s coming from a main dealer but has no history, I’ll look into the history with Renault just to get an idea of the maintenance history. FYI the dealer has just done the cambelt and tensioner and given it a full service at a cost of £485.78.

2. What should I look out for? I know the earlier 197s suffered with premature synchro wear between 3rd-5th was tested on the test drive and was 👌🏻.

3. What are the associated running costs of running these beasts day to day? (Don’t mention fuel economy I’m well aware it’s about half of what the civic gets)

4. How hard should she make my winky driving her?

FYI I also own 2 motorcycles (1 highly strung and tuned MT-10, 1 dirty 300cc fart cannon for those sunny winter days)

What fuel am I looking at as the MT-10 requires premium (Vpower, ultimate, momentum 99 etc)
Offline Marc_250  
#2 Posted : 08 May 2018 20:08:51(UTC)
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The gearbox issues do remain with the 200. While the car you're looking at may not have any atm you should probably assume (or plan for) it might develop them and a refurb could be needed at some point.

Fuel wise they require standard 95 ron. Benefits of the more expensive stuff will be forever an internet debate...
Offline Steve Murr  
#3 Posted : 08 May 2018 22:19:56(UTC)
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I would avoid it TBH
least desirable 200
no history
cambelt by renault / or dealer always = shortcuts ( Ive had a main dealer renault retension an auxbelt before )
Spec is poor.

avoid at all costs.
Offline Steve Murr  
#4 Posted : 08 May 2018 22:22:22(UTC)
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Just FYI
cambelt change should be

Cambelt kit
Aux belt kit ( not just the belt )
Crank bolt
cam seals
water pump

I can almost bet my life that
a) the parts wont be renault
b) they wont have done the full aux belt kit.

independent dealers are woeful.
Offline Fuzzy  
#5 Posted : 08 May 2018 23:36:45(UTC)
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I'm not looking at it as an investment I plan on driving it so it's being the least desirable makes no odds to me.

You'll have to enlighten me on the poor spec though?

It is a Renault network service that's been carried out I am assured by the dealership, will enquire what's actually been done regards to the service, was advised it was cambelt and tensioners.

What mileage am I looking at potentially refurbing the gearbox at?? (Most common) I thought they fixed the issue according to the reports I've read through
Offline John_walker74  
#6 Posted : 09 May 2018 07:45:58(UTC)
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You will eventually want to sell it and the Gordini is not loved do will be either more difficult to sell or you'll have to price accordingly.

I'd steer clear as there are plenty of other good examples out there. Or is it very cheap??
Offline MrVix  
#7 Posted : 09 May 2018 07:55:43(UTC)
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Agree with the above, give the Gordini a wide berth it looks terrible. Plenty of much nicer 200's out there to pick from.
Online del115  
#8 Posted : 09 May 2018 08:30:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: John_walker74 Go to Quoted Post
You will eventually want to sell it and the Gordini is not loved do will be either more difficult to sell or you'll have to price accordingly.

I'd steer clear as there are plenty of other good examples out there. Or is it very cheap??


I had a Gordini from new and in my three years of ownership it never missed a beat.
Received a lot of flack on here from the purists as apparently it was not a 'proper' RS - Still the case it seems.
Sure the Gordini badge only amounted to the trim level but I really liked the blue edged leather interior.
Underneath that it was very much an RS as my many track days bear witness.

The gearbox is the achilles heal of all 197/200's but like most things mechanical its luck of the draw.
Many on here, including myself, have not suffered any issues although age/mileage may play its part eventually.

If you can get confirmation of the service history and current condition then why not buy it.
If the price is right then you will be getting a nice car IMHO but I am not sure that any MkIII Clio, Gordini or 'proper', will necessarily be an investment.

Good luck
Offline Steve Murr  
#9 Posted : 09 May 2018 08:37:19(UTC)
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Its poor spec

no cup pack ( normally )
no recaros
awful wheels

Like I said if they changed everything on the list- especially the aux belt kit - as renault cut corners on 'used' car sales-
if they done everything then at least the belts are done but that doesnt compensate for the very poor base spec it comes with-

as a bare minimum cup pack / recaros are the entry level on a 200-
Offline Roblynn1977  
#10 Posted : 09 May 2018 08:48:27(UTC)
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Mate if you like it and it’s the right money get it bought and ignore all the neg heads on here. Any 200 Clio is a blast to drive
Offline Fuzzy  
#11 Posted : 09 May 2018 09:11:52(UTC)
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Roblynn the plan is to buy it IF I can get confirmation of the service history..

@steve only option it doesn't have from your list of desirables is the recaro seats and as I'm not doing track days or using it as a Sunday toy I really couldn't give a toss about the lack of uncomfortable bucket seats either. Don't buy it because it's "low spec" isn't what I asked for.

As for the wheels I have to say I don't like the blue on them either... Makes it look chavy so I do agree there but guess what... When you're inside it you can't see them and if it bothers me that much I can easily paint them.
Offline Roblynn1977  
#12 Posted : 09 May 2018 09:55:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fuzzy Go to Quoted Post
Roblynn the plan is to buy it IF I can get confirmation of the service history..

@steve only option it doesn't have from your list of desirables is the recaro seats and as I'm not doing track days or using it as a Sunday toy I really couldn't give a toss about the lack of uncomfortable bucket seats either. Don't buy it because it's "low spec" isn't what I asked for.

As for the wheels I have to say I don't like the blue on them either... Makes it look chavy so I do agree there but guess what... When you're inside it you can't see them and if it bothers me that much I can easily paint them.


Well said 👍🏻
Offline oldfella  
#13 Posted : 09 May 2018 10:23:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roblynn1977 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Fuzzy Go to Quoted Post
Roblynn the plan is to buy it IF I can get confirmation of the service history..

@steve only option it doesn't have from your list of desirables is the recaro seats and as I'm not doing track days or using it as a Sunday toy I really couldn't give a toss about the lack of uncomfortable bucket seats either. Don't buy it because it's "low spec" isn't what I asked for.

As for the wheels I have to say I don't like the blue on them either... Makes it look chavy so I do agree there but guess what... When you're inside it you can't see them and if it bothers me that much I can easily paint them.


Well said 👍🏻
Well said indeed. If you like it, buy it.I bought a Cat C Clio, paid more than I should, and it had lots of problems, no service history, and was told to avoid at all costs,BUT, I knew, when sorted, it was the car for me, and now it is all sorted, its a keeper.
Offline Georgeski  
#14 Posted : 09 May 2018 10:32:43(UTC)
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The OP came on here looking for advice and got it - I don't see any of the posts being negative or anything other than constructive advice based on experience.

It's hardly negative to say that a car without service history may not be the wisest buy, neither is it wrong to say that these cars require the cambelt to be done properly i.e. with the correct locking tools and Renault parts - the forums are littered with people/garages who thought it would be easy to do and then suffered issues afterwards.

Edited by user 09 May 2018 10:37:41(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline John_walker74  
#15 Posted : 09 May 2018 13:54:31(UTC)
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If you are happy, buy it as it is your car....

Steve will also say steer clear of the basic cup model as in his experience they don't sell as easily. I had a cup and moved it on to someone who specifically wanted a cup without advertising it so never did find out how difficult they are to shift.

The standard seats are pretty good so don't worry about that. The recaros are super and very comfy, are prone to wear but highly desirable.



Offline Marc_250  
#16 Posted : 09 May 2018 16:05:11(UTC)
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I would virtually factor a gearbox refurb into the price of buying one of these now days. Remember a dealer will likely only replace a gearbox with costs running into thousands so you probably want to know where a good refurb specialist is located in relation to yourself and how much it could set you back.
Offline foxspeed  
#17 Posted : 09 May 2018 18:16:27(UTC)
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lets see potential problems or known areas -

front swivels on the perfo hub suspension can wear causing noise & poor handling - they are available seperately just not from reanult

exhaust flexi can wear/blow - again have new fitted or there are a few after market replacements

gearbox - yes there are lots reported but as a % of sales its small - early 197 seem to be ok but later 197/200 seem to suffer most - again there are options out there to fix - there is also an improved gearbox oil for them

brake pads can seize in the calipers causing poor brakes - recommended yearly strip/clean/lube etc

hands free system can give issues especially the optical sensor in the door

scuttle drains need checking & cleaning out yearly

join a dedicated forum to get the best insight ie clio 197/200.net Wink

Edited by moderator 09 May 2018 19:07:23(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline MrVix  
#18 Posted : 10 May 2018 11:02:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: del115 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: John_walker74 Go to Quoted Post
You will eventually want to sell it and the Gordini is not loved do will be either more difficult to sell or you'll have to price accordingly.

I'd steer clear as there are plenty of other good examples out there. Or is it very cheap??


I had a Gordini from new and in my three years of ownership it never missed a beat.
Received a lot of flack on here from the purists as apparently it was not a 'proper' RS - Still the case it seems.
Sure the Gordini badge only amounted to the trim level but I really liked the blue edged leather interior.
Underneath that it was very much an RS as my many track days bear witness.

The gearbox is the achilles heal of all 197/200's but like most things mechanical its luck of the draw.
Many on here, including myself, have not suffered any issues although age/mileage may play its part eventually.

If you can get confirmation of the service history and current condition then why not buy it.
If the price is right then you will be getting a nice car IMHO but I am not sure that any MkIII Clio, Gordini or 'proper', will necessarily be an investment.

Good luck


The gordini is definitely a proper RS, just in my eyes not a very attractive oneShocked

I really think a well specced 200 Cup in a decent colour with the obligatory Recaro seats (best I have had in any car) is going to hit rock bottom price wise very soon and then start climbing. A future classic in the making I reckonBig Smile
Offline Georgeski  
#19 Posted : 10 May 2018 12:36:22(UTC)
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To be honest I think prices have already started to firm up. I think they hit rock bottom 18months ago.
Offline Marc_250  
#20 Posted : 10 May 2018 14:54:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MrVix Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: del115 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: John_walker74 Go to Quoted Post
You will eventually want to sell it and the Gordini is not loved do will be either more difficult to sell or you'll have to price accordingly.

I'd steer clear as there are plenty of other good examples out there. Or is it very cheap??


I had a Gordini from new and in my three years of ownership it never missed a beat.
Received a lot of flack on here from the purists as apparently it was not a 'proper' RS - Still the case it seems.
Sure the Gordini badge only amounted to the trim level but I really liked the blue edged leather interior.
Underneath that it was very much an RS as my many track days bear witness.

The gearbox is the achilles heal of all 197/200's but like most things mechanical its luck of the draw.
Many on here, including myself, have not suffered any issues although age/mileage may play its part eventually.

If you can get confirmation of the service history and current condition then why not buy it.
If the price is right then you will be getting a nice car IMHO but I am not sure that any MkIII Clio, Gordini or 'proper', will necessarily be an investment.

Good luck


The gordini is definitely a proper RS, just in my eyes not a very attractive oneShocked

I really think a well specced 200 Cup in a decent colour with the obligatory Recaro seats (best I have had in any car) is going to hit rock bottom price wise very soon and then start climbing. A future classic in the making I reckonBig Smile


Silverstone Edition was the nicest standard spec IMO although any FF 200 with Cup Chassis can be the same. A Grey Raider is nice but couldn't be bothered with the matt paint. Gordini just..well I've just never liked those style wheels.
Offline Georgeski  
#21 Posted : 10 May 2018 15:57:54(UTC)
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Storm grey, racing blue or ultra red, cup chassis and recaros for me!
Offline Roblynn1977  
#22 Posted : 10 May 2018 17:55:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foxspeed Go to Quoted Post
lets see potential problems or known areas -

front swivels on the perfo hub suspension can wear causing noise & poor handling - they are available seperately just not from reanult

exhaust flexi can wear/blow - again have new fitted or there are a few after market replacements

gearbox - yes there are lots reported but as a % of sales its small - early 197 seem to be ok but later 197/200 seem to suffer most - again there are options out there to fix - there is also an improved gearbox oil for them

brake pads can seize in the calipers causing poor brakes - recommended yearly strip/clean/lube etc

hands free system can give issues especially the optical sensor in the door

scuttle drains need checking & cleaning out yearly

join a dedicated forum to get the best insight ie clio 197/200.net or renaultsportclub.co.uk Wink


Great advise here on what to look for when buying a used 197/200 if only this forum had a separate section for used car buying guides
Offline John_walker74  
#23 Posted : 10 May 2018 18:53:46(UTC)
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Yes, get over to www.clio197.net as there is a a wealth of advice and information available.

The expensive jobs are the gearbox and the manifold, but these don't always go. You are almost guaranteed to need to replace the lower hub ball joint.
Offline Roblynn1977  
#24 Posted : 10 May 2018 19:32:52(UTC)
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Also lots of info on Renaultsportclub.co.uk mate plenty of events organised as well if your interested
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