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Offline Cr3ature  
#1 Posted : 24 October 2017 18:09:50(UTC)
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Hi, I have 220 Trophy, just had 1st service, done 9k miles in 2 years, not been on a track. Car has destroyed the inside of both front tyres, big chunks missing, cord showing, a complete mess, but rest of tyre is fine with plenty of tread left?! Renault said poss alignment issue but they couldn’t check as machine bust! Had new tyres and got alignment checked elsewhere and it’s spot on. It was on Michelin Pilot super sports as per Renault spec (original tyres). Where it was checked today have suggested that it’s down to moving off with the wheels not dead straight, i watched them demo it and it’s like the wheel jumps then grabs traction, and they say this rips a piece of rubber off! Anyone heard of/experienced anything like this?
Offline Buffalo Girls  
#2 Posted : 24 October 2017 19:11:20(UTC)
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I would have thought that it was alignment out
Offline rs 1an  
#3 Posted : 24 October 2017 19:14:05(UTC)
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Hi I have s Trophy similar age coming up to 7k miles. My fronts are still on 5-6 mm and I’ve done track days, pressures 32 front 30 rear cold. I would say you have a problem, I will ask Shaun at Essex Autosport tomorrow hes a wheel alignment man.
Offline Womble  
#4 Posted : 24 October 2017 20:12:48(UTC)
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Michelin PSS many many miles swapped back to front every 4000 miles 35 psi at the front 31 at the rear very even tyre wear.

Too soft knocks the inside out

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Offline Cr3ature  
#5 Posted : 24 October 2017 20:27:03(UTC)
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[img=http://UserPostedImage]Tyre[/img]

Hopefully the photo / link works!
Offline Cr3ature  
#6 Posted : 24 October 2017 20:28:40(UTC)
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Offline Clioconvert  
#7 Posted : 25 October 2017 08:25:40(UTC)
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Wow they look horrendous, I have a 220 Trophy - same tyres - absolutely fine but I do check / adjust my tyre pressures very often - like every fortnight (come form being a motorcyclist).
Offline Georgeski  
#8 Posted : 25 October 2017 08:58:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cr3ature Go to Quoted Post
Hi, I have 220 Trophy, just had 1st service, done 9k miles in 2 years, not been on a track. Car has destroyed the inside of both front tyres, big chunks missing, cord showing, a complete mess, but rest of tyre is fine with plenty of tread left?! Renault said poss alignment issue but they couldn’t check as machine bust! Had new tyres and got alignment checked elsewhere and it’s spot on. It was on Michelin Pilot super sports as per Renault spec (original tyres). Where it was checked today have suggested that it’s down to moving off with the wheels not dead straight, i watched them demo it and it’s like the wheel jumps then grabs traction, and they say this rips a piece of rubber off! Anyone heard of/experienced anything like this?


They're demonstrating an Ackermann hop - there's no way it would cause that damage in 9000 miles, unless you were driving off really aggressively and with full steering lock on every time you got in the car. It looks to me like a wheel alignment issue - I've had a couple of BMW's that have severely worn the outside edge of tyres, but that was in 20,000 miles and intentional as it was BMW's wheel geometry, intended to increase steering sharpness.

Edited by user 25 October 2017 09:33:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Marc_250  
#9 Posted : 25 October 2017 09:21:34(UTC)
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My old Mk3 Clio 200 used to do the same although not to quite the same extent. Had Renault do the alignment but it went unresolved. Would have been easy to put it down to driving style (+ exploiting those bits of road that have sand paper like surface for high grip) but not had it on any car since so...pass.
Offline Georgeski  
#10 Posted : 25 October 2017 09:39:07(UTC)
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Did you see the printouts to confirm that it was in tolerance and the type of machine used? Did they check all 4 wheels rather than just the front two?

Personally, I would take it to a specialist for a second opinion. The fact this forum and others are not littered with people complaining about this issue suggests it's rare and not down to a slight hop at set off.
Offline flitch  
#11 Posted : 25 October 2017 12:01:32(UTC)
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Hi,

Got nearly 20K out of my original front set and that was without any rotation.

They were making a lot of noise (twanging - widely reported here) on full lock when they were low, but otherwise OK.

Did you keep the old tyres? Worth getting Michelin to inspect them. I have never seen damage like that.
Tyres should not rip apart under any circumstances let alone with a bit of wheelspin.

Cheers Pete
Offline Cr3ature  
#12 Posted : 25 October 2017 15:36:32(UTC)
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Still got the tyres, now waiting on response from Renault customer service, but sounds like they want the car back to investigate.
Offline SidJ  
#13 Posted : 25 October 2017 16:16:13(UTC)
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My tyres split on the inside at 8000 miles was told it was speed humps that done it
Offline eccentric1  
#14 Posted : 25 October 2017 21:00:12(UTC)
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Bloody 'ell, not pretty and I agree with those who say it's an alignment issue, or at least I'd normally say that.
I have a 200 Trophy and have done about 13K Km in a few weeks short of a year and my PSS are still good to go.
Offline Womble  
#15 Posted : 25 October 2017 22:00:58(UTC)
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Possibly a manufacturing defect, there have been other reports of this. I think I would be contacting Michelin as well. Though I do recommend a full wheel alignment. Even when I have had PS2s that low they never came apart.

A mystery keep us all informed.
Offline rs 1an  
#16 Posted : 26 October 2017 04:58:15(UTC)
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Hi spoke to Shaun yesterday he say it’s the camber that kills the insides on the fronts. I would say that’s down to Renault to sort and replace the tyres.
Offline Cr3ature  
#17 Posted : 26 October 2017 12:28:02(UTC)
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Renault basically said not our problem go away! Warranty appears to be irrelevant, they couldn’t even be arsed to provide contact info for Michelin.
Offline Buffalo Girls  
#18 Posted : 26 October 2017 14:42:26(UTC)
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I don't be think that you can blame them after two years of use
Offline Cr3ature  
#19 Posted : 26 October 2017 16:03:26(UTC)
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It was more that yesterday they were going to take it for inspection and agreed it was an issue, but today they just said not our problem, even though its not been confirmed what issue is! So if Michelin say tyre is not defective then Renault are saying this is standard tyre wear after 9000 miles?!? I’m taking tyres into another garage tomorrow so further updates to follow....
Offline Womble  
#20 Posted : 26 October 2017 17:51:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rs 1an Go to Quoted Post
Hi spoke to Shaun yesterday he say it’s the camber that kills the insides on the fronts. I would say that’s down to Renault to sort and replace the tyres.


The Clio runs less than a degree of camber see picture a few posts up.

Offline Womble  
#21 Posted : 26 October 2017 17:58:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cr3ature Go to Quoted Post
It was more that yesterday they were going to take it for inspection and agreed it was an issue, but today they just said not our problem, even though its not been confirmed what issue is! So if Michelin say tyre is not defective then Renault are saying this is standard tyre wear after 9000 miles?!? I’m taking tyres into another garage tomorrow so further updates to follow....


Contact Michelin customer services, on the phone, good old fashioned way, and email them the pictures. Have Renault checked the car and there is no problem with it?

Wheel alignment is under general wear and tear so you will be responsible for getting that checked.

Kwikfit have the Hunter gear, depends if they have an op that can use it properly. Make sure the wheel mounts are dead central on the wheel as our wheels are slightly dished and can throw everything out of tolerance if not done correctly.

Offline Georgeski  
#22 Posted : 26 October 2017 18:43:30(UTC)
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Whereabouts in the country are you?
Offline Buffalo Girls  
#23 Posted : 26 October 2017 18:47:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cr3ature Go to Quoted Post
It was more that yesterday they were going to take it for inspection and agreed it was an issue, but today they just said not our problem, even though its not been confirmed what issue is! So if Michelin say tyre is not defective then Renault are saying this is standard tyre wear after 9000 miles?!? I’m taking tyres into another garage tomorrow so further updates to follow....


It's obviously not standard tyre wear. I suspect that the tracking is out. My point is, after two years, that's not Renault's fault.
Offline Cr3ature  
#24 Posted : 26 October 2017 19:43:47(UTC)
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I’m in Leicestershire, it was serviced at Renault Loughborough, they found tyre “issue”, they checked tracking and suspension etc but all good. They couldn’t check 4 wheel alignment as machine is bust, so I had to go to a local garage to get 4 wheel alignment checked, that was all good. Michelin customer service have asked me to take the tyres into garage tomorrow to be inspected and have said they will be able to tell me straight away if it’s tyre issue, or something else. Just need to know what caused it before the next set of tyres bite the dust!
Offline Cr3ature  
#25 Posted : 30 October 2017 13:39:06(UTC)
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Michelin have now admitted it was 2 defective tyres, dodgy compound, full refund for a new set of tyres😎
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